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Mar 22, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: N/
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i got that part...
what i meant was that i don't understand is why anet recognizes the mox quest reward as a problem, but not xth as one? |
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Mar 22, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Netherlands
Guild: None but Fools [nuts]
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The MOX quests reward you with 10K. Thus the game created 10K. The Zaishen Key isn't money. When people buy your key, they do that with money they allready have. So no money was created. Only when you use your key and get a gold item which you sell at the merchant, the game created money. |
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Mar 22, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50
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Older Than God (1)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Guild: Clan Dethryche [dth]
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If you want a flame war, you got it.
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Your argument boils down to: I want to max titles but I don't want to have to do minimal work to do so. I expect that from the twelve year olds that play this game. You're an adult, act like it. Quote:
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Worse, there's a major wealth redistribution effect going on here. People are engaging in legalized RMT by purchasing dozens of accounts. This is a clear betrayal of ANet's stance on the matter. It's not OK for players to trade in-game items to one another for real money, but it's OK for ANet to sell in-game items to players for real money? Quote:
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Mar 22, 2009, 10:20 PM // 22:20
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Z-keys aren't gold but they are money. It's a monetary unit representing an unassaible value of 5 Zaishen title points (and the accompanying random chest drop). They can be used as a medium of exchange, and (lately quite unreliably) also as a measurement to value other goods and services. They're basically another currency, its strength solely determined by the playerbase. Players gaining insane amounts of them without any effort will definitely impact the economy. Last edited by Gli; Mar 22, 2009 at 10:25 PM // 22:25.. |
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Mar 22, 2009, 10:40 PM // 22:40
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Forge Runner
Join Date: May 2005
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The Xunlai Tournament House aka Zaishen Lottery...^^
... I use 3 accounts, and just vote random crap. I get tons of items from candy to alcohol to party items every month, despite not playing Guild Wars at all. Those who really care can get almost every item possible in game, without having to do anything. No, it is not right. The idea of a lottery/betting is great, but as usual, the implementation is sub-par. |
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Mar 22, 2009, 11:12 PM // 23:12
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Dec 2005
Guild: Lucky Crickets[Luck]
Profession: N/Me
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Honestly, I could live without the XTH. While it's here though, I'll get the benefits from it.
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Mar 22, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Mar 22, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22
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Teenager with attitude
Join Date: Jul 2005
Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]
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Mar 22, 2009, 11:42 PM // 23:42
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Older Than God (1)
Join Date: Aug 2006
Guild: Clan Dethryche [dth]
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Savio, if you iterate that a million times, pretty soon you're talking about real money.
It's not like all the keys get spent, either. |
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Mar 22, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Nov 2005
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The biggest danger to the high-end part of the economy is the fact that the we, the playerbase, are quite stupidly refusing to accept that the growth of the Z-key creation rate should go hand in hand with a much more rapid drop in their value.
Z-keys and ectoplasm are the currency of the high end market. Gold doesn't come into it in any significant way. Because of a recent sudden influx of players with many hundreds of Z-keys to spend, and an urge to spend them on rare limited supply minipets in particular, minipet prices have been skyrocketing. People are still accepting Z-keys at a value close to that of ectoplasm, and as a result, ectoplasm won't buy you as many shinies anymore. Our painstakingly farmed ecto is being usurped by thousands of Z-keys appearing from thin air, and we're letting it happen. People buying extra accounts for more monthly Z-keys are practically printing money. Not gold, but the other currency. All we can do is wait for the Z-key bubble to burst. |
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Mar 23, 2009, 02:52 AM // 02:52
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jun 2006
Guild: N/A
Profession: N/
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Mar 23, 2009, 03:27 AM // 03:27
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Having said that... The XTH is still something that needs to go. As i've stated, the main prob with the giving out of Tournament Reward Points every month, is that it Cheapens the achievement of actually winning in tournaments. If eventually, the value of keys approaches nil, as they will inevitably, there will be little reason to enter tournaments other than to receive a gold cape trim. Established guilds/ Players will definitely still enter because they have winning down to a routine, until it gets boring, but there's no incentive for newer players to even try tournaments, because they have such an easy access already to obtaining decent TRPs every month. With no new contenders on the Tournament scene,PvP WILL stagnate, crawl into a hole and die. edit: removed the drama queen bold fonts =p Last edited by wu is me; Mar 23, 2009 at 09:37 AM // 09:37.. |
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Mar 23, 2009, 05:19 AM // 05:19
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Profession: N/
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i still never really got the answer i was looking for...perhaps i've worded it too ambiguously. i'll put it more simple and direct: is the mox one-time 10k quest reward worse than the xth monthly zkey reward? i'm not asking if they're both bad, or if they're both good. i'm asking if mox is worse than xth. if yes, why? if no, then why did anet remove mox but not xth? |
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Mar 23, 2009, 06:40 AM // 06:40
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Apr 2006
Guild: Amazon Basin [AB]
Profession: Mo/Me
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I don't think Zkey's actual value is even 4k/month. Average amount for most players seems to be 100 RPs or 20 keys. Most of those will be firewaters and brulees, which you could get the equivalent from a merchant for 1k, but no-one merchs alcohol anyway when the market price is already below that due to all the special events. Crap golds sell for around 200-300, and seem to me to be around 1 in 10 drop rate. All the other stuff is rare/unmerchable and thus generates no gold. So in the end we are left with under 1k/account entering the system, and some slight inflation of everything else balanced by the drunk/sweet titles becoming proportionally cheaper. I don't think Anet considers the 10k from MOX to be a long-term economy issue or they would've removed the quest reward (they haven't.) It's a short-term issue when each account gets a sudden extra 50-80k in the week it was released, which causes prices to go haywire for a bit. Similarly the new storybooks do offer extra gold to new characters doing the missions anyway, but you don't get that sudden influx of numerous advanced characters picking up gold at once that retroactive rewards would've done. Last edited by FoxBat; Mar 23, 2009 at 06:43 AM // 06:43.. |
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Mar 23, 2009, 09:01 AM // 09:01
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Done.
Guild: [JUNK]
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It enables me to obtain things on my wishlist more efficiently then previously.
If this was changed, I wouldn't find a new way to obtain the things in question. I'd remove them off my wishlist. Which would reduce my interest in the game even further. XTH is A.Net's currency for buying my interest in the Guild Wars saga. |
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Mar 23, 2009, 09:56 AM // 09:56
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Netherlands
Guild: None but Fools [nuts]
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Mar 23, 2009, 11:57 AM // 11:57
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Europe
Guild: The German Order [GER]
Profession: N/
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Removing 10k reward for MOX was pointless - by time it impacted game, it was too late and removing gold reward would only piss off people who did not get around to do it. |
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Mar 23, 2009, 12:20 PM // 12:20
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Massachusetts, USA
Guild: Guardians of the Cosmos
Profession: R/Mo
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Perhaps the XTH should have an entry fee to be able to make your choices.
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Mar 23, 2009, 12:22 PM // 12:22
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Cuba
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zkeys shifted the wealth balance from pve to pvp
i dont see why allowing the pver's to gain them also via xth is a bad thing. Last edited by slowerpoke; Mar 23, 2009 at 04:08 PM // 16:08.. |
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Mar 23, 2009, 01:01 PM // 13:01
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jul 2005
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I think it's kind of ironic that Anet doesn't want any gold selling in this game and bans people for it, yet, they do that exact thing by introducing FREE items in the game with zashien keys and XTH. Thus, now they have made a LEGAL way to BUY GOLD, just go buy more accounts and bet on the XTH and get free keys which turns into GOLD as well as FREE items that used to have VALUE. I suppose as long as THEY are the ones selling gold it's quite alright long as the greenbacks are coming into their pocket.
There was a time when this game was fun an exciting and going farming was FUN because there weren't millions of items like the ones we found all over the market. But, with the flooding of Zashien keys and the ability to turn them into GOLD as well, they have ruined the market and the fun of adventuring for loot content. Hell, why farm at all anymore when you can get practically everything for 10k or less now. Making Perfect Salvage Kits didnt' help it either. Making inscriptions was another killer to the economy. It seems everything we found of value to farm and sell they have come along and ruined it. Thus making PVE boring and repetitive waste of time. |
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